What is this snare drum?

striker

striker

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I am posting two clips. The first clip of live performance shows few seconds of the snare. The second clip is a studio recording and it has several seconds of the snare drum intro. My questions are:
1) What is this snare drum?

2) As far as I can tell, the live performance has only one mic. Does this mean that what I am hearing in the live performance is very close to the room sound of the snare?

Thanks.



 
The snare looks like a Rogers Super10 chromed brass 6.5 depth. There are several mics on the kit, including one pointed at the snare batter, so there’s no way of knowing what mix of those mics we’re hearing, or how it was all EQ’d and compressed etc.
 
^ think that's Correct;



he's a real popular still to this day the whole band cooked back then..two hits were always on radio

Butch Rillera

Camco endorsee picture in there
when with Righteous Brothers
 
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bongoman said:
The snare looks like a Rogers Super10 chromed brass 6.5 depth. There are several mics on the kit, including one pointed at the snare batter, so there’s no way of knowing what mix of those mics we’re hearing, or how it was all EQ’d and compressed etc.
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The 1970's super 10's that I have seen for sale so far are all Chrome over Steel.
https://reverb.com/p/rogers-script-...-lug-chrome-over-steel-snare-drum-early-1970s

Rogers is still producing them, but I do not see any Steel on their web site. They have a Super 10 with Brass and no Chrome plating.
https://rogersdrumsusa.com/super-ten-brass-shell-snare-drum/

No matter what, If that snare in the clips turns out to be Steel or Brass, it sounds fantastic. That sound just jumps out at you and makes you notice.
Thanks for the response.
 
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jda said:
^ think that's Correct;



he's a real popular still to this day the whole band cooked back then..two hits were always on radio

Butch Rillera

Camco endorsee picture in there
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Very nice tune. Butch Rillera has great taste - Camco drums and Rogers Super 10 snare. Thanks for the response.
 
striker said:
The 1970's super 10's that I have seen for sale so far are all Chrome over Steel.
https://reverb.com/p/rogers-script-...-lug-chrome-over-steel-snare-drum-early-1970s

Rogers is still producing them, but I do not see any Steel on their web site. They have a Super 10 with Brass and no Chrome plating.
https://rogersdrumsusa.com/super-ten-brass-shell-snare-drum/

No matter what, If that snare in the clips turns out to be Steel or Brass, it sounds fantastic. That sound just jumps out at you and makes you notice.
Thanks for the response.
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Yes it occurred to me a bit after posting that I had no way of knowing what was under the chrome. 🙂
 
Whatever it is, I can see a bead (inverted?) near the batter hoop, so likely there's another near the reso hoop. Besides that, there isn't a good enough view of the snare to tell. Other than Rogers, who made a double-beaded metal snare in the 70s?
 
Don't underestimate the humble Remo black dot on any metal snare. I would argue that you could get even a cheap budget steel snare, crank down a black dot, and apply light muffling. Probably would sound exactly like that.
 
I looked into this a bit and according to this listing on Ebay, the SuperTen is made of "cold rolled steel".
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314935510777

According to this link, "cold rolled steel" must be a better quality steel and that should have an effect on the quality of the sound. Here is a quote:

" What are the benefits of cold rolled steel? With better surface characteristics than hot rolled steel, it’s no surprise that cold rolled steel is often used for more technically precise applications, or where aesthetics are important. But due to the additional processing for cold finished products, they come at a higher price."
https://www.reliance-foundry.com/blog/hot-vs-cold-rolled-steel
 
roncadillac said:
Don't underestimate the humble Remo black dot on any metal snare. I would argue that you could get even a cheap budget steel snare, crank down a black dot, and apply light muffling. Probably would sound exactly like that.
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Thanks. I am assuming that the Black Dot is another option to control the snare overtones. I used Evans Genera Dry on my Yamaha Stage Custom Steel snare. I will give the Black Dot a try next time around.

It seems to me that he is using the clear black dot instead of the coated black dot on the Redbone clip.

 
striker said:
Thanks. I am assuming that the Black Dot is another option to control the snare overtones. I used Evans Genera Dry on my Yamaha Stage Custom Steel snare. I will give the Black Dot a try next time around.

It seems to me that he is using the clear black dot instead of the coated black dot on the Redbone clip.

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Yes, he's using the clear version.

I know they call the Black Dot "Controlled Sound," but it doesn't behave anything like a dry head, or any head with a built-in ring. I like the black dots, but they give an attack-heavy kind of midrange-y sound, to me. I'm not sure it's for everyone, lol.

I DO think it's a factor in the sound on that Redbone clip, though. The metal snare and black dot head give that characteristic honk.
 
I was watching a sound demo of Rogers Dynasonic the other day. That clip was unique because at the end of the demo he started playing the snare with the butt end of the stick. The sound immediately changed. In the Redbone clip he is also striking with the butt end of the stick.

 
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Instead of opening a new thread I thought it is best to keep one thread for those snares that I think the sound just jumps out.
This is supposed to be a demo for cymbals but what caught my attention was the snare sound!!
Those snares have that "ding" sound in a good way. Are these people playing A&F metal snares in this demo?

 
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