Pro drummers mostly... Ever refuse a gig?

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Yes, it was just an off the top of my head example of other ways you can possibly damage your reputation OTHER than by appearing on political records. It's not my prejudice, but many artists have an idea of what they perceive of as cool and uncool. The artist that gave me a hard time over being in a Don Henley video wasn't worried about my 'selling out', but thought it reflected badly on them.
Things have changed and are changing. Nick Cave having worked with Kylie Minogue and Dave Grohl having championed Rick Astley are a couple of examples off attitudes changing.
 
Only time I turn a gig down is if the distance is an issue, the pay is crap or I'm on holiday.

Politics has never come into it. It's a good way to fall out with folk!
 
Not true.
I think just about every poster in the thread has said they are ok working with someone with opposing views.

You have a continual issue staying in context, Chris. I said "people", not most people. They also said they'd work with them, but then added belittling content about the opinions of those people. Your post specifically said just what I repeated. You diminished the opinion of others who have alternate views by inferring that people who aren't left leaning aren't empathetic or feeling of the trials of some other people. I used some of your exact words.
I'm of the opinion that you don't recognized your slights at others who aren't left leaning.
Being left in the arts is the safe thing, so you can work with fewer trials. Do you expect that you've had nearly the lowest of personal trials of most people here? Or have you had much more fortunate experiences than most people here?

99% of my gigs in 40+ years, politics has never come up, is never discussed.
And?! That is the opposite of this topic.

If you are playing music which celebrates values that don't align with your own?
Wat???

That is up to the individual.
If you are professional you likely have options. I opt not to work with racist, homophobic people as a rule.
Ok. That sounds righteous on it's face, but we all know that the current approach is to falsely label people as extremist for not agreeing with things viewed as unhealthy behavior/examples for others, and those labeled people suffer character attacks with words
like racist, homophobic, etc..

I haven't seen the video, but I heard part of 1 conversation on talk radio. I know that once people are labeled as extremist they start looking at actual truths in the subject and start illustrating the hypocrisies to others.

Lastly, could it be that the video/song was intended to be shocking for the media exposure? Alice Cooper, Madonna did shocking things for attention.
 
In short, within the arts you better toe the line if you want to work. Even when that line is abusive.

In fact it's even worse than that. Two words; "casting couch."
 
I would never do anything I am not forced to do with anyone I don't like. I did it too many times in my past and it causes nothing but bad all around. Getting too old for all that guff.
I grew up a have-not, so money is not top of my list.
Music to me is supposed to be fun. When it's not, I no longer want to do it.
 
My two remaining brothers, both of whom have repeatedly stated that "(such and such) is always too political" as the reason they won't partake, NEVER FAIL to get political. EVER! And they have, and use, ALL of the buzz words.

I guess I'll go back to the Unwanted Guests thread.
 
I hope this doesn't get political...

Legitimate question. Have any of you ever refused to work with a particualr artist because they were a despicable human being, or was it just about a paycheck?

I ask because there has been coverage lately about a certain highly offensive "bro-country" song with an equally offensive video...by an artist that is no stranger to being offensive. I refuse to post the video because I don't want the song to get any more attention than it already has.

I've met this guy's drummer at a couple clinics in the past. He seemed like a pretty cool guy, and also seemingly has other sources of income. I guess I wonder why he (or other supporting musicians) haven't quit this guy, especially since his PR firm did.

Are some musicians willing to overlook racist/offensive behavior just to keep a gig? What do you do if the guy paying your bills is someone like this?
Ever posted a 'non-political' polemic about the literally thousands of literally murderous rap songs that literally inspire followers to literally rob, beat and kill people?
Care to clarify why defining an anti-crime song as "racist" doesn't make YOU the "racist"? Because you seem to employing some disturbing stereotypes yourself.
 
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yea I'd never join... have to turn down any musical Extreme Environmentalist singing choirs or Revolutionary Marxist jazz ensembles or Antifa marching bands or any Globalist One World Government chamber music organizations
 
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90% of people in the arts are left of centre - which is the same as me.
Musicians generally care, have been through rough times themselves and are empathetic people.
Yes, I would turn down a gig with an artist that was openly racist, homophobic, extreme hard right etc...
Beyond that, I am always amazed that on these forums 'professionalism' is characterised as 100% about the money.
I have turned down hundreds of paid gigs over the years - because I didn't think I was the right drummer for the music, or I didn't want to be on tour for months in a bus, or I actually didn't like the music, or I found the band leader a difficult character to work with etc, etc...
There might have been a time when 'The Left' represented 'caring' - some would say that to believe that nowadays takes extraordinary credulity.
 
agree ^
yea the Totalitarian gamelan ensemble is another that would be out for me.
the Stephen Colbert vaccine dance ensemble another I'm glad I never played for
sorry to make you puke ^
that's a bad use of music imo

Probably turn down the Bill Gates summer Cocktail & Mosquito Soiree request for a jazz trio too
 
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I haven't encountered much like that. There have been a number of crass/flaky/weird individuals, and people with substance issues, and/or too much of a hustler to be completely trustworthy. Usually at most somebody will have one weird opinion. One old dude from Florida would let fly with some kind of hair raising stuff now and then. He's probably dead now.

I'd love to work for Barry Manilow, I don't want to know anybody who doesn't get how cool that would be. People have to work, most people get that.

I hope this doesn't get political...

Legitimate question. Have any of you ever refused to work with a particualr artist because they were a despicable human being, or was it just about a paycheck?

I ask because there has been coverage lately about a certain highly offensive "bro-country" song with an equally offensive video...by an artist that is no stranger to being offensive. I refuse to post the video because I don't want the song to get any more attention than it already has.

I've met this guy's drummer at a couple clinics in the past. He seemed like a pretty cool guy, and also seemingly has other sources of income. I guess I wonder why he (or other supporting musicians) haven't quit this guy, especially since his PR firm did.

Are some musicians willing to overlook racist/offensive behavior just to keep a gig? What do you do if the guy paying your bills is someone like this?
Just for balance: here's the other side of the argument:
 
agree ^
yea the Totalitarian gamelan ensemble is another that would be out for me.
the Stephen Colbert vaccine dance ensemble another I'm glad I never played for
the Hall Dancing Covid Nurses another I'm glad no one I knew participated
sorry to make you puke ^

Probably turn down the Bill Gates summer Cocktail & Soiree request for a jazz trio too
Too late, I puked.
 
There might have been a time when 'The Left' represented 'caring' - some would say that to believe that nowadays takes extraordinary credulity.

There are idiots, extremest and trolls on both sides.

Let’s not try and paint all, regardless of what side they sit on, with the same paintbrush.
 
It was mentioned four times previous just making it even, fair and balanced.

"Also won't be seen playing the 'Cern Deviled Egg Festival' again this year"

there. now it's even. Peace restored
 
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Since Don Henley was mentioned, my personal opinion, working with a child rapist is way worse than someone accused of being racist or homophobic.
 
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