Need help with some negotiation

Essenter

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By the way, objectively thinking, not counting sound quality, on paper Yamaha DTX522K is better than Roland TD-07DMK, ye?
Also, when having DTX522K, when I connect extra crash to for ex. KP65 as says in manual, it's just 1-zone without choke, ye?
 
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roncadillac

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By the way, objectively thinking, not counting sound quality, on paper Yamaha DTX522K is better than Roland TD-07DMK, ye?
Also, when having DTX522K, when I connect extra crash to for ex. KP65 as says in manual, it's just 1-zone without choke, ye?
Purely looking at it from the point of view of "features for your money" and putting aside any opinions on preloaded souds, I would agree that the Yamaha is the better buy when comparing those two.

As for expanding the Yamaha kit I will preface my response by saying my first hand experience with Yamaha Ekits is limited but my understanding is that the second crash "slot"/trigger/whatever you want to label it as is just like the "primary" crash in that it has a single zone with a choke. Granted, the choke functionality will depend on the actual cymbal "pad" you use having that capability.
 

Doraemon

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By the way, objectively thinking, not counting sound quality, on paper Yamaha DTX522K is better than Roland TD-07DMK, ye?
Also, when having DTX522K, when I connect extra crash to for ex. KP65 as says in manual, it's just 1-zone without choke, ye?
Choking requires a stereo cable, so yes.
 

roncadillac

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Choking requires a stereo cable, so yes.

Is that specific to Yamaha? I play on two different alesis kits: one kit has x1 single zone crash w/ choke and x1 single zone ride, the other kit has x2 dual zone crashes w/ choke and x1 triple zone ride w/ choke and every one of those 'cymbals' only has a single 1/4" wire.
 

Doraemon

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Is that specific to Yamaha? I play on two different alesis kits: one kit has x1 single zone crash w/ choke and x1 single zone ride, the other kit has x2 dual zone crashes w/ choke and x1 triple zone ride w/ choke and every one of those 'cymbals' only has a single 1/4" wire.
Didn't say more wires, just one stereo (two channels to carry buzz from the two sensors, one being the choke). Splitting the kickpad means it will be two mono lines, one for the kick piezo, one for the ot(er thing.
 

roncadillac

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Didn't say more wires, just one stereo (two channels to carry buzz from the two sensors, one being the choke). Splitting the kickpad means it will be two mono lines, one for the kick piezo, one for the ot(er thing.
Oh, I see. Thank you for clarifying!
 

Essenter

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Also extra question - (sorry for expanding this simple thread to two pages xD) I've read on some pages that DTX502 series uses some kind of "laser technology to analyze drum strokes" - does it really exist and make difference or just a marketing trick?

Also, does anyone know maybe how Yamaha black rubber pads compare to maybe training pad? Can't really try live these, and Im not worried about TCS feeling
 
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electrodrummer

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Also extra question - (sorry for expanding this simple thread to two pages xD) I've read on some pages that DTX502 series uses some kind of "laser technology to analyze drum strokes" - does it really exist and make difference or just a marketing trick?

Also, does anyone know maybe how Yamaha black rubber pads compare to maybe training pad? Can't really try live these, and Im not worried about TCS feeling

The laser tech was used in development. There's no lasers in a DTX drum pad.

ALL rubber pads feel different.
Pads from the same manufacturer can feel different - some deliberately so - in a similar way that an acoustic snare feel different to a floor tom. Yamaha's pads follow that - snare pads can have a different "give" than tom pads. (the same follows with the silicone pads)

This:
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doesn't feel like this:
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Practise pads also all feel different - and, again, deliberately so in some cases. This one has four different feels, for example:

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electrodrummer

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By the way, objectively thinking, not counting sound quality, on paper Yamaha DTX522K is better than Roland TD-07DMK, ye?
Also, when having DTX522K, when I connect extra crash to for ex. KP65 as says in manual, it's just 1-zone without choke, ye?

Note: You can plug 12 pads up a DTX502 module. Max 9 on a TD-07 IIRC - and it has evil cable snake ;)
 

Doraemon

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Note: You can plug 12 pads up a DTX502 module. Max 9 on a TD-07 IIRC - and it has evil cable snake ;)
That's not a fair comparision counting the split inputs. :) If you split the TD07 it's the same (13 if splitting snare, but without bell).. It has a Crash2 cable and 4 maybe dual piezo pads. Though needs a more expensive Y cable.
 
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electrodrummer

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That's not a fair comparision counting the split inputs. :) If you split the TD07 it's the same (13 if splitting snare, but without bell).. It has a Crash2 cable and 4 dual piezo pads. Though needs a more expensive Y cable.
The DTX502 has 12 native inputs[1]. No hacks with specialised splitters with resisters and things, or pulling zones off pads.

[1] some of the 12 share a physical stereo jack for space reasons but it's a full separate 12 inputs for 12 pads (keeping all the zones on multi-zoned pads/inputs where applicable) - each of the 12 pads with multiple sound layers, etc.
 

Doraemon

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The DTX502 has 12 native inputs[1]. No hacks with specialised splitters with resisters and things, or pulling zones off pads.

[1] some of the 12 share a physical stereo jack for space reasons but it's a full separate 12 inputs for 12 pads (keeping all the zones on multi-zoned pads/inputs where applicable) - each of the 12 pads with multiple sound layers, etc.
Apart from the resistor I see no difference. Of course you pull the zone off a dual zone tom when you make it into two mono single zones, using a y cable. As in the manual "In addition ,users can add up to four single-zone pads to their kit via the Kick and Tom inputs. Pads that were multizone initially, become single zone when their trigger input is shared."
 

Essenter

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That's not a fair comparision counting the split inputs. :) If you split the TD07 it's the same (13 if splitting snare, but without bell).. It has a Crash2 cable and 4 dual piezo pads. Though needs a more expensive Y cable.
Wait what, really TD-07 has 4 dual piezo pads? TD-17 as I know has 4 dual piezo (not counting snare), but I think TD-07 does have only one dual piezo - snare
 

Fritz Frigursson

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dtx502 module is very old now, it’s been rendered obsolete by the DTX6. TD7 is brand new, it still has life to it. i would get roland. full dual zone mesh pads, ok cymbals and good module. with time upgrade to one of the VAD kits. not worth upgrading cheap kits. ease of use of roland modules is pretty incredible and it’s just the best brand honestly. no other company has a comparable lineup that performs as good as them. yamaha is definitely lacking as they have 1 actually good line which is the dtx6, but that’s not top stuff. yamaha is sleeping, alesis is rebranding medeli kits and changing names of their kits every month as it seems and “roland killers” that are hyped up every so often as the new king of edrums just dies silently a few weeks after release. i think there’s only one actually good brand making e drums right now that updates their products, offers after market assistance and has good quality and acceptable price.
 

Essenter

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dtx502 module is very old now, it’s been rendered obsolete by the DTX6. TD7 is brand new, it still has life to it. i would get roland. full dual zone mesh pads, ok cymbals and good module. with time upgrade to one of the VAD kits. not worth upgrading cheap kits. ease of use of roland modules is pretty incredible and it’s just the best brand honestly. no other company has a comparable lineup that performs as good as them. yamaha is definitely lacking as they have 1 actually good line which is the dtx6, but that’s not top stuff. yamaha is sleeping, alesis is rebranding medeli kits and changing names of their kits every month as it seems and “roland killers” that are hyped up every so often as the new king of edrums just dies silently a few weeks after release. i think there’s only one actually good brand making e drums right now that updates their products, offers after market assistance and has good quality and acceptable price.
To be honest, idk if it's just me but I just don't like VAD kits. I really like way the electronic drumsets looks, and for me buying for ex VAD706 over TD-50KV would be worse. Anyway, no one knows if Yamaha won't make something more ambitious in next years - I tbh really believe in Yamaha.
 

Doraemon

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Wait what, really TD-07 has 4 dual piezo pads? TD-17 as I know has 4 dual piezo (not counting snare), but I think TD-07 does have only one dual piezo - snare
You may be right, snare is surely dual and also the cymbals, but the 3 toms might not. It really depends on the cables. If they're mono, bad luck. They now have 4 different 07 kits ranging from $799-1599. It's a kit "not as bad as the TD1", but still very limited, it's better to look at the TD17. That is still a "beginner" kit in Roland terms. It's hard to compare these brands, because most Yamaha kits are many years old except for the dtx6, and all these budget Roland kits are fairly new. TBH I wouldn't spend extra money on quality gear if my budget is too small to afford anything useful...

The 07 manual says "For menus in which the "H&R Link" indication is shown, you can switch between switching sound parameters for head and rim as a set (ON) or individually (OFF)." but doesn't specify where this can be applied. It also lists pdx6 and pdx8 pads as rimshot capable, but doesn't say how.
 
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Essenter

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You may be right, snare is surely dual and also the cymbals, but the 3 toms might not. It really depends on the cables. If they're mono, bad luck. They now have 4 different 07 kits ranging from $799-1599. It's a kit "not as bad as the TD1", but still very limited, it's better to look at the TD17. That is still a "beginner" kit in Roland terms. It's hard to compare these brands, because most Yamaha kits are many years old except for the dtx6, and all these budget Roland kits are fairly new. TBH I wouldn't spend extra money on quality gear if my budget is too small to afford anything useful...

The 07 manual says "For menus in which the "H&R Link" indication is shown, you can switch between switching sound parameters for head and rim as a set (ON) or individually (OFF)." but doesn't specify where this can be applied. It also lists pdx6 and pdx8 pads as rimshot capable, but doesn't say how.
Welp, tbh for me quality is very important, even if it means getting less functionality
 

Doraemon

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Welp, tbh for me quality is very important, even if it means getting less functionality
Less is OK, but it has to be over your minimum. If it doesn't do what you want, what's the point.
Many people who think they make a good deal with budget kits, whether it's a horrible Alesis Turbo or an expensive TD1, end up spending double trying to upgrade features, add pads etc. It doesn't have to break to disappoint.
 

Essenter

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Less is OK, but it has to be over your minimum. If it doesn't do what you want, what's the point.
Many people who think they make a good deal with budget kits, whether it's a horrible Alesis Turbo or an expensive TD1, end up spending double trying to upgrade features, add pads etc. It doesn't have to break to disappoint.
True, that's why I decided to just sell my TD-1DMK and get something better - like, idk, why TD-1 module actually looks like they don't care about it. They just gave kits, metronome, training functions, some random looped songs and that's it. Bruh
 
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