Are non-USA Remo heads as bad as people make them out to be?

yammyfan

Senior Member
My point is again that if the first thing I'll need to do is change the heads on a kit, the manufacturer is already cutting corners to reduce the cost. I've bought new Renowns where you can take them out of the box and gig them straight away. Same with Mapex Saturns.
I might be in the minority here but I'm perfectly okay with that. DW didn't make the heads, it made the drums. The money that was saved went into better hardware and shells.

Given the low odds of the supplied heads being anybody's #1 choice to begin with, it's a wonder that manufacturers put anything other than UT class heads on anything that isn't custom built.
 
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Supergrobi

Technical Supervisor
I wonder how many of us have those awesome kits that the USSR produced and shipped worldwide during the cold war. Oh wait, there were none? Hmm.

Just because you haven't seen any in the US doesn't mean there are none. To name a few from that era:

Trowa (East Germany)
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EPOIMI (Soviet Union)
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KOZMOSZ (Soviet Union)
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Dezső Dubán (Hungary)
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Medveczky (Hungary)
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Tacton (East Germany)
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Tromsa (East Germany)
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Szpaderski (Poland)
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Neal Pert

Well-known member
I might be in the minority here but I'm perfectly okay with that. DW didn't make the heads, it made the drums The money that was saved went into better hardware and shells.

Given the low odds of the supplied heads being anybody's #1 choice to begin with, it's a wonder that manufacturers put anything other than UT class heads on anything that isn't custom built.

For real. I'd very happily spend $200 less on a professional kit for the ability to immediately install the exact heads I want. I've almost always immediately installed new heads on every kit I've bought unless the stock heads were really close to what I wanted.
 

Lennytoons

Senior Member
I had a set of Pearl Exports with UT heads on them. All of the drums sounded like bongos and they were very difficult to tune. Took them off and threw them away. Remo Pinstripes are almost required on these kits.....much, much better sound now.
 

Capital D

Member
Just because you haven't seen any in the US doesn't mean there are none.

I didn't say they don't exist. I said they aren't awesome. Do they demand a high value on the vintage market? Do any rock stars tour with them, not just US, but international acts?

I'm sure they exist, I'm saying they aren't any good and if anything are cheap knock offs of better drum brands.
 

Darth Vater

Senior Member
For real. I'd very happily spend $200 less on a professional kit for the ability to immediately install the exact heads I want. I've almost always immediately installed new heads on every kit I've bought unless the stock heads were really close to what I wanted.
What kind of kit do you play and what heads came on it? Maybe kits should be sold without heads? Spending less always seems to be the theme from my antagonists whenever these discussions take place. I just don't get this in that if you're passionate about drumming, wouldn't you want an instrument that meets or advances that passion?
 

wildbill

Platinum Member
....There is nothing anyone could ever tell me that would change my mind about a stage custom being a lousy kit. I bought one new and I thought it was dreadful. Granted it's just my opinion. In my travels UT heads = low end kits. I'm thankful that I don't have operate in that range of merchandise.....

Saturn 5 pc. - $1949.00

Renown 5 pc. - $1629

Stage Custom - $679

Unrealistic expectations for the Stage Customs you had maybe?
 

someguy01

Well-known member
Maybe kits should be sold without heads?
I would prefer this, actually. No one puts Aquarians on a new kit. No one. Thus, no matter what I buy, the stock heads are getting removed.
I accept that part of my purchase will also be new heads.
Especially when you buy used.
 

Ransan

Senior Member
From another thread referring to Pearl Sessions that C.M has.
I wouldn't classify your setup as "inexpensive".



If you get a new kit with UT heads, you probably bought a lousy kit.
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Heads that came with my Session Studio worth mentioning same kit as C.M.s.

Sounded fine, but I’m not a pinstripe person, never have been and I have diplomats on all resos.

The Pearl STS series are no slouch -
 

Otto

Platinum Member
starting to question if i really have experienced eastern manufactured remo ambassadors.
 
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Darth Vater

Senior Member
From another thread referring to Pearl Sessions that C.M has.





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Heads that came with my Session Studio worth mentioning same kit as C.M.s.

Sounded fine, but I’m not a pinstripe person, never have been and I have diplomats on all resos.

The Pearl STS series are no slouch -
Midrange kit that CM added a $1K snare to which pushed his setup over the $2K mark. = not inexpensive. I would have allocated more to the shell pack side but that's his decision. He seems happy with his stuff so it's all good.
 

Otto

Platinum Member
Are all eastern manufactured remo heads clearly marked as UT?
 

Darth Vater

Senior Member
Saturn 5 pc. - $1949.00

Renown 5 pc. - $1629

Stage Custom - $679

Unrealistic expectations for the Stage Customs you had maybe?
I actually bought both of those kits new, on sale, for $1550 (Saturn Exotic) and $1085 (Renown). It was 2-3 years ago. Both 5 pc with nice finishes and prices incl shipping so you're definitely on the high side there. Neither needed heads upon purchase. Saturn had nice Clear remo emps on them and the Renown had clear G2s. Ready to thump! Here's a pic of the Renown with the 13x10 that I added for 250. Sweet kit. BTW, those renown snares are really nice. Great budget snare!

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Ransan

Senior Member
I actually bought both of those kits new, on sale, for $1550 (Saturn Exotic) and $1085 (Renown). It was 2-3 years ago. Both 5 pc with nice finishes and prices incl shipping so you're definitely on the high side there. Neither needed heads upon purchase. Saturn had nice Clear remo emps on them and the Renown had clear G2s. Ready to thump! Here's a pic of the Renown with the 13x10 that I added for 250. Sweet kit. BTW, those renown snares are really nice. Great budget snare!

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Fair enough - I’d not rest laurels on what heads a kit came with.
I honestly don’t think there’s anything wrong with non-USA Remos.

As I stated above, the UT pins sounded good but I don’t use thick heads. And I’d pick my STS against most kits in the price range.

As for the Renown series that come with emperors mind you, they contain 5 lugs on each tom (on maple!?) an I.e. old MIJ kit would have.
So there’s added markup to base retail by adding the Remos stock.

Gretsch peeps say they open up the shell.
I’d just want standard number of lugs on toms if I were paying that much.
 

Lennytoons

Senior Member
Fair enough - I’d not rest laurels on what heads a kit came with.
I honestly don’t think there’s anything wrong with non-USA Remos.

As I stated above, the UT pins sounded good but I don’t use thick heads. And I’d pick my STS against most kits in the price range.

As for the Renown series that come with emperors mind you, they contain 5 lugs on each tom (on maple!?) an I.e. old MIJ kit would have.
So there’s added markup to base retail by adding the Remos stock.

Gretsch peeps say they open up the shell.
I’d just want standard number of lugs on toms if I were paying that much.
My Renown 5 lug toms are the only ones I own that NEVER slip out of tune. Despite having die cast hoops they can sustain forever if I so choose.
 

Ransan

Senior Member
My Renown 5 lug toms are the only ones I own that NEVER slip out of tune. Despite having die cast hoops they can sustain forever if I so choose.
Yes as they should, I bet recording would have tea rags spilling over the toms.

They are maple and have 5 lugs so there’s the two immediate factors, DC can hold an even lower freq tuning focus.

(but a used kit at a good price, I’d not mind owning a set of RNs)

I’m just saying there’s added markup in things (like suspensions/heads) that are more blaring, but not so much in the corners cut that we don’t see or recognize in any manufacturer.
 

Darth Vater

Senior Member
If you have two rack toms on that Pearl studio select kit you not only have to buy new heads but all the goofy tom arm stuff too.

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Please Note: The Mounts are Included. The Arms and Clamps are Sold Seperately.
This is a Shell Pack Only. "



Ewwwww , that's brutal. Can't even set it up without spending more money.
 

Neal Pert

Well-known member
What kind of kit do you play and what heads came on it? Maybe kits should be sold without heads? Spending less always seems to be the theme from my antagonists whenever these discussions take place. I just don't get this in that if you're passionate about drumming, wouldn't you want an instrument that meets or advances that passion?
The Yamaha Absolute Hybrid Maples (10/12/13/14/16/18bd/22bd) mostly came with clear emperors over clear ambassadors. The Yamaha (AHM and two RCs) and Noble and Cooley snares I play came with mostly Remo Ambassadors. I'm an Evans guy so I took off most of the heads that came on the kit and the snares.

If you are trying to make the case that I don't spend enough on gear, please, dude, let me get you to talk to my wife.

Also, I'm taking delivery tomorrow on a used DW Design Series kit that the previous owner has replaced the heads on.

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wildbill

Platinum Member
I actually bought both of those kits new, on sale, for $1550 (Saturn Exotic) and $1085 (Renown). It was 2-3 years ago. Both 5 pc with nice finishes and prices incl shipping so you're definitely on the high side there. ....

I'm not on the high side - inflation is. :sick:

I checked several places and those are the current prices.
In the first link for the Saturns, 9 different places list $1949. :unsure:

Also - I just noticed today that many places have the Stage Customs listed for $709.99.
GC and MF are still at $679, but that's up from the often given price of $649 too.

Better get your Stage Custom set now, before they all go to the new price. :ROFLMAO:
 
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