Anything other than B20 sounds cheap. Good cymbals are expensive but worth every penny (cent?).
Not particularly. Though I was quite surprised when I discovered their cymbals aren't B20.Not a fan of Paiste, I take it?
Not particularly. Though I was quite surprised when I discovered their cymbals aren't B20.
To be fair I do often wonder if it's my preconceptions about sub-B20 cymbals that affects how I feel about their sound. Even with B20's I have a preference for hand hammered (in most cases). Probably been corrupted by evil capitalism.I've played Zildjian for the vast majority of my drumming years (over three decades), but I did, for a time, switch to Paiste's Signature Series, which is B12. I liked them a lot but eventually returned to Zildjian As and Ks. When Zildjian released the S Family (B12), I tried and loved them. Now I play the S Family exclusively. The S Family is more similar to Paiste's Signature Series than it is to other Zildjian lines. Perhaps I prefer Paiste cymbals with Zildjian logos.
By Z I think you mean Planet Z, they're brass cymbals as opposed to bronze so very much unarguably "starter" cymbals, or as someone described them earlier in this thread, "targets".while checking out the cymbals at guitar center a came across the zildjian s line. i was blown away because the z line was lame. i would have been well satisfied with the a line at $600-$700. the s line was under $400 and not nearly as bright as the z line. i went with another brand but i would recommend giving the s's a listen before you buy cheap cymbals
It´s actually B15. You can see Sigs have a more yellowish tint than the Zildjian S.I did, for a time, switch to Paiste's Signature Series, which is B12.
It´s actually B15. You can see Sigs have a more yellowish tint than the Zildjian S.
I. A drummer 40 years and didnt know that!"Usually", cymbals made with B8 bronze (92% copper, 8% tin)--tend to be considered cheaper. B20 bronze (80 percent copper, 20 percent tin) are more expensive, tend to sound better, are more sought after.
Packs aren't bad. Many will prefer hearing cymbals individually. And there are SO MANY used great cymbals out there. You can usually find what you need/want for used/cheaper.
Read the whole thread DB7, it’s not true. The quote marks around the word “usually” go some way towards making this a more acceptable statement but if it was the case then most Paiste cymbals would be worse sounding and cheaper. But sound is subjective so let’s look at it in terms of build quality, again that makes a mockery of the whole B8 v B20 debate.I. A drummer 40 years and didnt know that!
Excellent break down.
What about Meinl's HCS line of cymbals? Cheap? Garbage? Or inexpensive quality?
I'm not trying to be a wise guy .....but Paiste Cymbals do sound worse and cheaper to me.?Read the whole thread DB7, it’s not true. The quote marks around the word “usually” go some way towards making this a more acceptable statement but if it was the case then most Paiste cymbals would be worse sounding and cheaper. But sound is subjective so let’s look at it in terms of build quality, again that makes a mockery of the whole B8 v B20 debate.
It’s repeated and unchallenged internet posts where people state as “fact” things that aren’t facts that breed misinformation and result in people who don’t actually know the facts taking them onboard as gospel and spreading them further.
Ok as I said it’s a personal thing, are you also saying their biuild quality and reliability is cheap too?I'm not trying to be a wise guy .....but Paiste Cymbals do sound worse and cheaper to me.?
What about Meinl's HCS line of cymbals? Cheap? Garbage? Or inexpensive quality?