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Old 02-23-2015, 04:24 AM
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Default Whiplash Oscar win - will it spur sudden interest in "jazz drumming"?

And the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor goes to the angry guy from Whiplash...

Given that folks can be easily influenced (like when the Taco Bell chihuahua inspired everyone and their mum to go out and get a chihuahua - which they promptly dumped in animal shelters a few months later...) should we anticipate an increased interest in "jazz drumming" (or should that be an increased interest in profuse sweating and snare drum punching?) or drumming in general now?
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:44 AM
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Just the opposite - people will stay away from drumming in droves out of fear of encountering psychopathic, stick throwing drum teachers.
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:46 AM
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since this movie reminded me of a bad Disney movie I'll compare it to another Disney movie called 101 Dalmatians

much like everyones mom went out and bought their kids Dalmatians then brought them to the pound when they figured out they actually had to take care of the dog
.... a whole lot of parents will probably end up buying drum sets that will end up at garage sales, on craigslist, ebay etc. in a year when these kids find out that they actually have to practice

but a few of those drummers will see it through

so if this terrible motion picture produces some contributing musicians then it is absolutely a good thing
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:55 AM
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Default Re: Whiplash Oscar win - will it spur sudden interest in "jazz drumming"?

Good question. People are impressionable to whatever you put in front of them. So I'm going with Tony's answer and say yea.

No matter how exaggerated things got, it's good to see drummers as a focus in something in the mainstream media. Drums are an inherently interesting instrument, that's been kind of pushed off to the side in favor of other more "in your face" instruments. I'd like to see drums get a PR facelift. The general public knows more guitarists, keyboardists and singers than drummers and bass players.

Bass players deserve their own movie too. Another obscured element of music that gets maybe less attention than drummers.
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Old 02-23-2015, 06:52 AM
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I don't know.

Did Chariots of Fire inspire people to take up running?

Did No Country for Old Men inspire people to take up drug running and killing?

Did Black Swan inspire people to take up ballet?

Did Million Dollar Baby inspire people to take up boxing?

Wanting to get a dog is one thing, taking up something that requires hours/months/years of dedication is something else.
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Old 02-23-2015, 07:02 AM
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I don't know.

Wanting to get a dog is one thing, taking up something that requires hours/months/years of dedication is something else.
Sadly, the millions of dogs that enter shelters in the US each year attests to the fact that many people don't think things through and neglect the many years of comittment responsible ownership entails.

Drums are no different (although ebay and your friendly neighbourhood instrument shop takes the place of the animal shelter, and at a much lower rate).
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Old 02-23-2015, 07:53 AM
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Hollywood should do movies about something it knows about ,like freebasing cocaine and smoking heroin .

At least they have real world experience with those issues.
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:46 AM
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Did Million Dollar Baby inspire people to take up boxing?
Not even sure Rocky did. I think the closest it came was to inspire people to run up stairs, pumping their arms about with the sound of trumpet anthems in their heads.

And I think for a fleeting moment after the Karate Kid, parents worldwide sat back in wonder at their kids' eagerness to paint fences, sand floors and wax cars.....but it was pretty short lived. Not sure if it actually inspired that many black belts as a result.
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Old 02-23-2015, 09:36 AM
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I've actually picked up an assortment of folding chairs and have been hurling them at random passerby.
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:45 PM
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I think the types of people that will feel a sudden urge to take up drumming after watching a movie are the same types that won't see it through. As WhoIsTony? pointed out, it may result in a flood of drumsets on CL in the near future.

Thank God I was seven when Top Gun came out.....otherwise I might have killed myself trying to fly a fighter jet.
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Old 02-23-2015, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: Whiplash Oscar win - will it spur sudden interest in "jazz drumming"?

I digress...I could use another set so hopefully there will be an uptick on the number of kits available on CL in coming weeks/months...

BTW, congrats to the winners in Whiplash, notably JK Simmons. Well deserved.
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:32 PM
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I don't know.

Did Chariots of Fire inspire people to take up running?

Did No Country for Old Men inspire people to take up drug running and killing?

Did Black Swan inspire people to take up ballet?

Did Million Dollar Baby inspire people to take up boxing?

Wanting to get a dog is one thing, taking up something that requires hours/months/years of dedication is something else.
since the release of this movie I have had 3 or 4 calls for lesson inquiries by people who mentioned this movie during the phone call

so yeah... it's happening

unfortunately there is no available space on my schedule at the moment so I will not yet be able to see any of these movie inspired students ... but they did agree to the waiting list
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:38 PM
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I have an elder brother who use to throw drum sticks at me-broke one on my head. Yeah I know explains a lot LOL. He use to tie me to an electric fence too. So he would make a hell of drum teacher-shock therapy.
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I have an elder brother who use to throw drum sticks at me-broke one on my head. Yeah I know explains a lot LOL. He use to tie me to an electric fence too. So he would make a hell of drum teacher-shock therapy.
Yea, that's not abusive at all. Please tell me the fence wasn't energized, and that the drumstick was a rimshot ruined 7A.
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I have not seen the movie, but much press, and discussion here. Question is, Is this movie really about drumming? Would things change at all if the kid played a trumpet. I think drumming, or even the teacher, was just a vehicle.
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:59 PM
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"I think drumming, or even the teacher, was just a vehicle." Vehicle-that makes sense-must of had a bad wreck and developed a bad case of "Whiplash".
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:08 PM
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I just checked before posting, and maybe I am a bit naive, but the movie has an R rating so I wonder how many impressionable young people will see it anyway.
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:20 PM
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I'm hoping it scare people away from drumming, so I can get more jobs
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:23 PM
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And the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor goes to the angry guy from Whiplash...

Given that folks can be easily influenced (like when the Taco Bell chihuahua inspired everyone and their mum to go out and get a chihuahua - which they promptly dumped in animal shelters a few months later...) should we anticipate an increased interest in "jazz drumming" (or should that be an increased interest in profuse sweating and snare drum punching?) or drumming in general now?
I'm assuming that based on his performance and awards this will more likely persuade youngsters to pick up acting.
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:27 PM
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I dunno, it's not exactly inspirational, is it? It's pretty content-free compared to movies that influenced a lot of people-- like Searching For Bobby Fisher or Rounders. They actually told you something about the thing they were about, so you could get interested in it. In Whiplash there's nothing to it except the conflict- there's the mutilated Papa Jo story, and the "most dangerous words" speech, and that's it. Maybe it will encourage some late teens who already play to be more dickish about their ambition.
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:45 PM
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I predict auto sales will go out the roof. Then a sudden rash of wrecks and reported cases of "Whiplash". Chiropractors will benefit greatly and the butterfly effect will ripple through the planet bringing hugs and kisses to all. My eldest daughter flipped her car and had whiplash when she was in high school (still drives like she is in NASCAR).
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I think sticking plaster companies are hoping it takes off :)

According to the film you'd need someone with the same blood type on hand for a post gig transfusion to make up for what you leave on the kit.

I'm just praying I don't hear, "you're good, can you play like the guy off whiplash." If you mean bleed a lot and have a seizure when I'm trying to play quick then no!
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:52 PM
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Of course it will. Drumline spurred interest in marching/drum corps, too.
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Of course it will. Drumline spurred interest in marching/drum corps, too.
absolutely it did

more than one of my students high school drum lines actually play cadences from that movie
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Old 02-23-2015, 07:13 PM
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Although it might seem ridiculous that folks would be inspired to do something because of popular media, we only have to look at product placement in television/film to see that marketing folks don't think that way. (Not that I'm implying that drums are trying to be marketed to people via Whiplash)

I'm not surprised that WhoIsTony? has already had calls where the film has been name checked - there are a considerable amount of people who (unfortunately) have decided to become dog trainers due to watching episodes of the "Dog Whisperer", a guy who bullies animals into submission. Actual dog training involves very little TV viewer appealing drama and instead requires patience, and knowledge of animal behavior and learning theory.
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:05 PM
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The Oscars are funny, like the Grammies, they're voted on by members of their own community. So when we watch either of those shows, we're watching a closed group of people patting themselves on the back for such a great job they've done in their own industry. About the farthest thing from the true lives of everyone else - so why it inspires people to do anything is beyond me.

But jazz wouldn't be jazz if it became this big mainstream thing anyway. And I think your average Joe Lunchpale kinda' guy will just lump it all together as "music" anyway, and after the next six weeks (if that long) we'll be back to talking about sports.
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Definitely some interesting discussion here. I think a lot of people judged this movie at face-value when there was a lot more being shown in a less literal sense. Some fixated on sounds not being exactly what the visuals were showing during drumming scenes. I can totally understand where, if hung up on these elements, one could miss the entirety of the film. There were a lot of metaphors present that most of us can relate to on some level. Yes, the extremes of film were present- that's going to happen. I do believe that this film will inspire some people to take up drums. Just the buzz around this film may be enough to do that in some cases without even seeing it.

So far, I think Jojo Mayer had the most spot-on (in my opinion) review of the film: http://www.jojomayer.com/whiplash/
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Haah! I guess Jojo didn't read that fluff about the actor doing "90%" of his drumming parts for the movie.

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To be fair, for a non drummer Miles Teller did a good job and doe to good editing only a musician will be able to debunk that hes not a drummer. For any drummer or musician it becomes quite a stretch to to [sic] uphold the suspension of belief necessary to enjoy a movie.
I was excited to see the movie after learning that the actor was a drummer. poor kid had a terrible technique that Peter Erskine mentioned in hos review of the movie. Simmons was great though. Didn't much care for the rest of the movie though, a bit dramatic for my liking.
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Definitely some interesting discussion here. I think a lot of people judged this movie at face-value when there was a lot more being shown in a less literal sense. Some fixated on sounds not being exactly what the visuals were showing during drumming scenes. I can totally understand where, if hung up on these elements, one could miss the entirety of the film. There were a lot of metaphors present that most of us can relate to on some level. Yes, the extremes of film were present- that's going to happen. I do believe that this film will inspire some people to take up drums. Just the buzz around this film may be enough to do that in some cases without even seeing it.

So far, I think Jojo Mayer had the most spot-on (in my opinion) review of the film: http://www.jojomayer.com/whiplash/
I think Jojo's take on the movie was quite responsible. I am still afraid of seeing it, as in I'm also afraid of going to see "Dumb and Dumber" too. I'll probably see it on a plane.
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I'm just praying I don't hear, "you're good, can you play like the guy off whiplash."

You know it's going to happen. Haha

Or someone finds out you play drums and ask if you've ever had teacher like that teacher in Whiplash. Get ready!
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Or someone finds out you play drums and ask if you've ever had teacher like that teacher in Whiplash. Get ready!
Some people certainly have.
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