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Old 12-20-2007, 12:00 AM
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Still waiting for some sound clips... *nudge nudge*
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Still waiting for some sound clips... *nudge nudge*
Yeah, I know [looks down, kicks one toe with the other].

I've tried recording some of my stuff but the mics I'm using just don't capture it all. I have a couple of Behringer ECM-80s, a Shure Beta 58 and 57, an Audio-Technica PRO 25 bass drum mic and a buch of AT 5280 tom mics. The problem is that I have a small mixer, a Behringer Eurorack MX-602A, with two mic and two instrument inserts. I have the mixer going to a CD recorder. It works good for band practice, but it doesn't evenly capture the sound spectrum.

Maybe I should experiment some more or just record with what I have and get it done finally. I can always put up something better when I go into the studio.
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Man, you really must be taking the word "hanging" a little too seriously ;)
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very nice
where abouts in australia was the wood from?
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Old 01-21-2008, 10:54 PM
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lol sweet, they all look like floor tams
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:28 PM
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where abouts in australia was the wood from?
Thanks for your interest.

Cooktown ironwood grows only one place in the world: Queensland, Australia, which is the little horn that sticks up from the north and almost touches Indonesia (actually the area is about the size of Texas).

Obtaining ironwood is very difficult as the area is primarily wild (see www.spritdrums.com for an explanation). The area is very dry so the wood grows slowly and is so dense it sinks in water. The tree from which my set was taken was about 300 years old. So far, only about a dozen Spirit kits have been made, although many djembes, congas and snares have been made. They purchase the logs from a couple of Crocodile Dundee-type loggers.

The Australian government encourages timber cutting in the area and has very stringent environmental laws. Most of the ironwood gets turned into fence posts and railroad ties and decks and a tiny bit gets turned into very high-value items like musical instruments (it is also prized for flutes and guitars) and sculptures. Ironwood leaves and suckers are extremely poisonous to cattle and must be cleared from areas where ranching is permitted.

Spirit drum makers do all their manufacture locally, using local labor and fabrication for their hardware, and the money for the kit directly supports their families and local merchants. So this kit was made in a socially sustainable way, not just an environmentally sustainable way.
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:51 PM
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Thanks for your interest.

Cooktown ironwood grows only one place in the world: Queensland, Australia, which is the little horn that sticks up from the north and almost touches Indonesia (actually the area is about the size of Texas).

Obtaining ironwood is very difficult as the area is primarily wild (see www.spritdrums.com for an explanation). The area is very dry so the wood grows slowly and is so dense it sinks in water. The tree from which my set was taken was about 300 years old. So far, only about a dozen Spirit kits have been made, although many djembes, congas and snares have been made. They purchase the logs from a couple of Crocodile Dundee-type loggers.

The Australian government encourages timber cutting in the area and has very stringent environmental laws. Most of the ironwood gets turned into fence posts and railroad ties and decks and a tiny bit gets turned into very high-value items like musical instruments (it is also prized for flutes and guitars) and sculptures. Ironwood leaves and suckers are extremely poisonous to cattle and must be cleared from areas where ranching is permitted.

Spirit drum makers do all their manufacture locally, using local labor and fabrication for their hardware, and the money for the kit directly supports their families and local merchants. So this kit was made in a socially sustainable way, not just an environmentally sustainable way.
It's not exaclty dry right now...
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love the cymbal arms on the new setup what brand are they i need some.
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love the cymbal arms on the new setup what brand are they i need some.
I pretty much only use DW hardware. I have 9000 series tom stands with a DW Dog Bone clamped in each stand. I then have DW Puppy Bones attached to the Dog Bones. That way, I am able to mount four toms and five cymbals on just two stands.
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I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned in this thread, but I'll put it out there anyways. I was briefly talking about exotic woods with a carpenter this past week on a mutual job. He mentioned iron wood, and how it is one of the densest woods out there. So dense you need a metal cutting blade to work it.

So what does this equate in terms to drum sound with this kit DMC, in comparison to other commonly used drum woods?
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Old 02-04-2008, 05:57 AM
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I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned in this thread, but I'll put it out there anyways. I was briefly talking about exotic woods with a carpenter this past week on a mutual job. He mentioned iron wood, and how it is one of the densest woods out there. So dense you need a metal cutting blade to work it.

So what does this equate in terms to drum sound with this kit DMC, in comparison to other commonly used drum woods?
My bet is on incredible attack (note that Oak is denser than Maple and has more attack(at least I think so...))
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:22 PM
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My bet is on incredible attack (note that Oak is denser than Maple and has more attack(at least I think so...))
Yes, you are right, these have plenty of attack and volume due to the density of the wood. At the same time, the drums are square sizes, so they have plenty of resonance but that tempers the attack. Also, the grain is all parallel to the height of the drum, so each grain acts as a mico-resonator and very efficiently conducts sound from the bearing edge, into the shell, and out to the bottom head. Cross-lamination in ply shells diffuses the movement of sound through the shell.

The result is lots and lots of the most sought-after qualities of drums: attack, presence, projection, sensitivity and richness of tone. That's not suitable for all playing situations, however, especially where the drums need to sound more subdued. These drums are very lively and call attention to themselves. They're also difficult to tune perfectly, as there is no glue to absorb overtones and everything you put into the drum, you get back out.

I am going to get my act together soon and post some sound clips, I promise. In the mean time, there are sound samples at www.spiritdrums.com.
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:06 AM
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Ya, I was going to assume they had great attack because of the density. But I had wondered if it was a double edged sword at the cost of resonance.

I'm listening to a sound clip on that website and they sound nice.
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Old 02-08-2008, 07:09 PM
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Ya, I was going to assume they had great attack because of the density. But I had wondered if it was a double edged sword at the cost of resonance.

I'm listening to a sound clip on that website and they sound nice.
Ordinarily, a dense shell gives attack and projection at the expense of richness and resonance. However, because of the solid shell construction and uniform grain direction, you get the richness and resonance of a mellower wood. Each grain of wood acts as a tiny micro-resonator.

One of the drawbacks is that tuning is difficult. The drums produce lots of tones and they must all be carefully balanced or else they will sound really, really cacophanous, particularly for the toms.

I have found these ironwood drums do not appear to have many acceptable tuning settings. They sound good low, then there is another midrange tuning region, and finally a high one. Between these ranges, however, you really can't tune the drums to a pleasing set of frequencies. In a traditional maple or oak drum, you wouldn't be getting as many tones to deal with, so there is less potential for conflict. In a softer mahogany drum, you have more frequencies, but they're not at such high volumes, so there is less conflict. Also, traditional drums contain glue, which absorbs some of the tones.

These drums toss back at you everything you put into them - which has its own set of trade offs.
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I thought you'd like this DMC; Paul Warry at Metro Drums (in Queensland) sent me a pic of a drum he just did. It's a 13x6" Cooktown Ironwood stave. I'm assuming it's a cheaper yet similar alternative to the Spirit Drums solid shells.
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I thought you'd like this DMC; Paul Warry at Metro Drums (in Queensland) sent me a pic of a drum he just did. It's a 13x6" Cooktown Ironwood stave. I'm assuming it's a cheaper yet similar alternative to the Spirit Drums solid shells.
Way cool! What's this fellow's Web site?

I don't know if it's easier or cheaper to do it with staves. Assuming you have a large metalworking lathe, solid shell boring might be easier than cutting a few dozen staves and gluing them together, then lathing them smooth. Ironwood is very hard to work with (dulls saw blades in no time flat) and it would be interesting to hear from the drum maker what it's like to work with ironwood for staves.

I think if you want an ironwood drum, solid or stave or block would be the only way to go. I think it's too ornery to be steam-bent or shaved into veneers for ply. It's so dense there is virtually no room for water to penetrate and soften it.
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:26 PM
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WOW That's one of the most unique kits I've ever seen, and you've got a Hang Drum! AWESOME!

Do you have videos? Forgive me if I missed them somewhere in this thread!
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WOW That's one of the most unique kits I've ever seen, and you've got a Hang Drum! AWESOME!

Do you have videos? Forgive me if I missed them somewhere in this thread!
Sorry, no videos yet but I will get around to it someday. Here are some photos from a recent gig, however.







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Old 02-14-2008, 10:28 PM
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Awesome! Looks like a great gig, the Fiberskyns look terrific on those drums too!
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Loved it, it's an "ethnic" metal kit. Just awesome.
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Haha, I have thought that myself. The kit does have a bit of heavy metal flair to it because of the deeper toms (it would certainly do well in a metal band) but all the drums are petite. The fact that they're carved from solid logs makes them close relatives of ethnic hand drums. I don't think I've ever seen a kit with these bass and tom sizes, which makes it all the more freaky.
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Interesting pics from the gig. What type of music were you playing? Also, how is the flat setup working for you?
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This is almost totally off-topic, but I thought DMC and the rest of you might find this very interesting... It's a hang-drum solo, and a fairly awesome one.

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This is almost totally off-topic, but I thought DMC and the rest of you might find this very interesting... It's a hang-drum solo, and a fairly awesome one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TQXn5ba0aT8
Wow, that is some great playing. I see some conga technique in his playing. He is making good use of the gu side of the drum, or the hole in the bottom that allows you to bend and shape sound like a tabla, udu or talking drum. I just play mine mounted on a stand and I should start using that feature.
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The thought has crossed my mind. They're going on eBay for $4,500, about ten times more than I paid for it four years ago. But I really love my Hang and I don't know how I'd ever get another one. It's a really amazing instrument.

You can hear me playing it at www.hang-music.com under 10-01-2006
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Interesting pics from the gig. What type of music were you playing? Also, how is the flat setup working for you?
We were playing smooth jazz, mostly elevator music with a few originals.

I am getting used to the flat setup now. It has required some adjustmet for the cymbals, as I am hitting the crashes on the top bow of the cymbal, not the edge, and I'm hitting with the shoulder of the stick. It seems like cymbal crashes are more explosive and responsive.
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Using the shoulder of the stick to strike the bow gives an agressive, cutting sound indeed, I sometimes use that on my ride but havent really tried it with crashes - yet.
Your drum kit is a fine piece of work! I love the look of the fyberskins, and the foot-operated talking drum. And most of all the hang-drum, I'm looking to get one of my own but there's very few places to get one and the prices are very high.
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Using the shoulder of the stick to strike the bow gives an agressive, cutting sound indeed, I sometimes use that on my ride but havent really tried it with crashes - yet.
Your drum kit is a fine piece of work! I love the look of the fyberskins, and the foot-operated talking drum. And most of all the hang-drum, I'm looking to get one of my own but there's very few places to get one and the prices are very high.
Thanks for the comments. The Fiberskyns have a natural, wild look which complements the set.

There are some other versions of the Hang set to come out soon, so stay tuned. They won't have the exact sound of the Hang, but some reputable pan makers are doing it so it will have a great sound all its own.
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CONVERSION OF STANDARD PEDAL TO LONGBOARD

I'll post more detail on the hardware modification thread at http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=23501. In the meantime, here is how I modified a DW5000 into a longboard.

Fourstrings lamented the ridiculous expense of DW longboard and I popped off about how I could convert a standard into a longboard - he called my bluff and I had to try it just to see if I could. Total cost: $2 in bolts, $5 in shop costs, $30 for labor, about two hours of time for work and planning. Basically, I removed the heel plate and joined it to the footboard with a gusset, then attached the hinge to the heel plate.

The hardest part was fabricating the gusset. I sawed off a chunk of half-inch-thick steel plate. It's overkill, but it's what I had handy and you will never ever have to worry about the gusset failing. After careful measuring, I drilled holes to mount it to the heel plate and foot plate (you can see the smoke from the burning thread oil).


This is the only permanent modification I had to make to the pedal, drilling a couple of holes to re-mount the hinge. Other than this, the mod is completely reversible.


The gusset was ground and scrubbed clean, then painted and mounted.


As used in the set.


I have to admit I'm not too fond of the action of a longboard. I've strictly played a standard pedal for 25 years so the longboard feels weird. I imagine if I'd started with a longboard it would feel normal. So I will probably reverse this at some point, but at least I can say I did it and tried it out.
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Awesome set! and your open handed (like me!) which makes it better since I can play it! (=
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Thanks. There are a few people here whose sets I could walk right up to and play. I assume you have your hats and ride on the left? What do you play? Do you have a thread for your kit?
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Yes, I have both my hats and rides on the left, There a bit hard to position because of their size (24 inch ride, 15 inch hats) bu I fair fine. and no I don't have a thread of my kit because it is far too shameful to post. =)
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A 24-inch ride and 15-inch hats! That is insane, Citizen Insane! I'd like to see this set. What kinds of drums, etc.? Don't be ashamed. There are some people here with $20,000 sets that are boring as hell and people here with CB700s held together with baling wire that are inspiring.
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A 24-inch ride and 15-inch hats! That is insane, Citizen Insane! I'd like to see this set. What kinds of drums, etc.? Don't be ashamed. There are some people here with $20,000 sets that are boring as hell and people here with CB700s held together with baling wire that are inspiring.
I play a (don't laugh) a 4 piece fender "starcaster" drum kit. Sizes are 12',16', and 22'. The drums themselves are appauling, but everything else I have is nice.

I use paiste 2002 cymbals, 15-inch hats,24-inch ride (both on my left side), and an 18-inch crash. The hats sound like heaven, crisp and highly responsive. (even for its size.) My ride is ok, I think its silly that people who have Bonham replica kits buy this ride, It is way more washy and gongy sounding than the ride you hear on the Zeppelin albums. And the 18 -inch crash is basically the crash sound I hear in my head.

My snare is a 14x7 Yamaha Birch Custom Absolute Noveau. It sounds really nice, I tune it medium tight, So I get a nice crack along with plenty of meat.

The pedals I play are Tama Iron Cobra's. The hi-hat stand is IMO, the best on the market. The bass pedal is not really my thing, I prefer the DW 5000.

So thats my kit, I wish I can post pics but my camera has been acting screwy lately. (hope to get it fixed soon!)
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Sounds like a nice kit!

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Old 07-21-2008, 02:39 PM
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Sorry, this set is Just so gorgeous I had to remark yet again and bring the post back to page 1 for all to see..LOL

Awesome set!!!!!!!!! My favorite.
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:25 PM
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I went to South Africa recently, and made it a point to look up, and take a picture of an ironwood tree, because I always thought an ironwood kit would be so cool.
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.....looks like any other tree, I suppose...
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Old 07-22-2008, 02:07 AM
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Cooktown ironwood grows only one place in the world: Queensland, Australia, which is the little horn that sticks up from the north and almost touches Indonesia (actually the area is about the size of Texas).
Haha great description.

DMC - I bet that thing is darn heavy and extremely loud?
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