JohnnySomersett
Senior Member
Wow. And to think they were raw and cutting edge in 1975
I dont understand? Sorry
Wow. And to think they were raw and cutting edge in 1975
if you dig this you should check out stuff from their first album when they were totally raw
On a more tamed down approach, but still very "raw" in terms of vibes and sounds, there's Black Dub, a band produced and featuring Daniel Lanois
I Believe In You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_0zrd2u3uk
... And all the best jazz had it.
I can appreciate the perfection but I don't usually get a visceral response to it. There are exceptions, like Steely Dan, etc., but in general, I prefer things a little looser.
As Jimmy Page would say, "tight.....but loose."
I've never heard of the Black Keys until this thread. I like thier music, but I think the music industry is so massive and wide spread now, alot of good bands get lost in the haystack.
When I realized my own professional work "suffered" from a surplus of polish and that I couldn't break that pattern (and, believe me, I tried), I quit.
No takers on Rage Against the Machine huh?
Yeah, I love music raw, too. The White Stripes have brought that back into music over the past 10 years or so. And all the best jazz had it.
I can appreciate the perfection but I don't usually get a visceral response to it. There are exceptions, like Steely Dan, etc., but in general, I prefer things a little looser.
I like recordings underproduced and drumming underplayed.
Haha I relate. I don't know why - maybe listening to too much prog and fusion and hearing too much glossy new pop on the radio. Once you get over the wow factor it can feel a bit oppressive - all that musical rushing around and frantic playing and fussy studio tweaking.
Some urgency and tweaking is cool, but there comes a point where the magic can get lost through trying too hard. To my ears, anyway.
yes.
rawness is where it's at.
rawness is like meat; some people prefer it more raw than others but very few
eat it totally raw.
Are you familiar with Dawes?...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtxKFpJ39HM
It's not exactly "raw", but the playing is simple and well-executed. It's all about the song, not the playing.
=( I'm a vegetarian. Even so, I don't even kill my music before consumption. Raw is where it's at.
Thanks Eric, but I must have been giving the wrong impression - I am very happy for players to do cool things ... if the song needs that. Playing your bum off is fine, but overplaying in a song that would be better served by a less ornate part is just a pose IMO and is not interesting to me.
I believe it sort of brings a sense of connection.
Sound is visceral, it just says so much in an instant... you feel right away when the sound is not right on something... for example, if you listen to music by Amy Winehouse you get a sense of what a world of sounds it belongs with... or say, Fiona Apple... or Slipknot.
I believe that as artists come along that bring new (or re-bring) trends, sound comes along with it as a natural reaction.
The 80's was about being big, being the top dog... being happy, having the look, strutting your stuff and breaking away from the past... that brought a world of sounds, that were almost "a look".
The 90's was all about honesty, sincerity, being real, not being a showoff... it was also about crossing boundaries and experimenting, that brought other worlds of sound.
This last decade was about technology... about people owning music... artists are facing that there is not that big corporate music industry to aim for (or be angry at) anymore...... popular music and music videos are not the center of the universe anymore... so it's about expression, about craft... about being unique and passionate WITHOUT CYNICISM... someone can play tracks and record songs on their phone...so now, it's about embracing "HISTORIC" sounds... what was old and outdated 20 years ago, is now historic... there is no need for real connection anymore, sounds have become "historic", so artists like Amy Winehouse, Adele, The Killers, White Stripes, Black Eyed Peas, Radiohead and even Contemporary rock bands share this mashed up world of sounds and influences... which comes together with technology...
Being Raw is part of that ever evolving landscape.
Actually, I was talking about my writing, not my drumming, and in terms of that my answer to your question would be "Both."Interesting, kind of opposite to 99% of the drumming world So you internally couldn't break from being slick or were you pigeon-holed and those were the only gigs you could get at the time?
I find this wonderfully insightful. But would add that in the world I inhabit it's not just drummers. It's pretty much everyone, one way or another.I think we as drummers can get so caught up in the mechanical challenges we can underestimate the importance of our own emotions in the equation. Something else gets lost with our creative innocence.
I find this wonderfully insightful. But would add that in the world I inhabit it's not just drummers. It's pretty much everyone, one way or another.
Thanks for being so brilliant, Polly.
Good raw = Yummy!
Bad raw = Yuk!!!
Good slick = Yummy!
Bad slick = Yummy !!!