dale w miller
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He sounds like no one I would want to deal with ever.
Hmm
People can change (I've seen it with mine own eyes).
Mebbe this is the shot in the arm he needs to become a better human being.
Just saying...
His is the kind of hatred that runs too deep to change IMO
Nice to think, but In my experience people don't tend to lose prejudice just because others don't approve. He'll just keep his bile to himself - for a while at least.
He has the rest of his life to work on redemption. This band wouldn't be removing that chance by any stretch if they kicked him out. In fact, that has almost nothing to do with it. Either way, kicked to the curb or not, he's aware that his idiocy is affecting his relationships. His redemption, or lack thereof, is his choice, not the band's....he may achieve redemption.
He certainly won't if not given the chance to do so and not challenged on his beliefs.
Abused? Political agendas? Seriously? I'm out!Terms like racist and homophobe have been abused for the sake of certain political agendas...
He has the rest of his life to work on redemption. This band wouldn't be removing that chance by any stretch if they kicked him out. In fact, that has almost nothing to do with it. Either way, kicked to the curb or not, he's aware that his idiocy is affecting his relationships. His redemption, or lack thereof, is his choice, not the band's.
From the band's POV, yeah, you can say, "I don't agree with it, but everyone's entitled to their own opinions..." and of course, that's true, BUT he's already put it out there for public consumption and the band giving him a pass looks like implicit support for those views.
If I know a band member is a rotten soul like that, I'm out - there's guilt by association. If it's someone you work with at your day job, okay fine, not much you can do about that, but in a voluntary artistic endeavor like a band where aesthetics and perceptions are everything, tolerance of that starts getting too close to looking like you might be at least sympathetic to those views yourself.
At some point you have to draw the proverbial line in the sand and not tolerate that kind of intolerance or you run the risk of having it reflect on you and your capacity to make good choices.
Sure, get swastika tattoos, nazi flags and turn into a hate monger group....OH you mean the other way around...hahaha good luck
I say give the guy another chance. But set a time limit. If he's still doing the same thing in 2013, vote him out. Ask him: Will you help us? All we want is for you to keep your racist and homophobe views out of rehearsal, and off the stage.
So you're not changing him, you are asking for his help