Most Under-rated Drummers

I've always thought Colin Bailey to be under-rated. He's one of the true musical players running around now, his phrasing is just beautiful.
He's also insanely technically accomplished. But, his phrasing ideas are where it's at for me. His bass drum playing really brought home, to me anyway, just how well (the amount it's used and how tasteful it can be when used correctly) it can be used as a third limb and stepped up my use of the bass drum in both comping and fill/solo phrasing.
Roy Haynes as a leader as well (although this is debatable, but so many drummers never really get their just deserves as leaders. Roy is just one). Some of his albums are just...whoa! Out of the afternoon comes directly to mind as one of my all time favourites. Just so swinging. The playing is so precise, clean and fantastically melodic. God, what a great album :)
 
jazzin' said:
I've always thought Colin Bailey to be under-rated. He's one of the true musical players running around now, his phrasing is just beautiful.
He's also insanely technically accomplished. But, his phrasing ideas are where it's at for me. His bass drum playing really brought home, to me anyway, just how well (the amount it's used and how tasteful it can be when used correctly) it can be used as a third limb and stepped up my use of the bass drum in both comping and fill/solo phrasing.


Colin is a stunning player. His single bass tehnique is just crazy. His taste is impeccable. Joe Morello is a big fan of his as well as a personal friend.

Joe is a pretty big guy and Colin is really small. Back in the day, Colin would sit on Joe's lap and pretend to be a vertriloquist dummy. It was supposedly hilarious.

Yes, an underrated drummer. I've gone thorugh his book (Bass Drum Control) and the CD that comes with it is daunting. Colin plays at JoJo speeds on single kick. I was shocked by his chops when I first heard the CD.

Not as under-rated as Neil Peart but underrated nonetheless. ;)
 
Drum-Head said:
Derek Roddy came to mind, then Dave DiCenso also came to mind, but I'm a bit confused here...

To me, being underrated doesn't have much to do with being well known or not. I see underrated as being considered not as good as the judged element (in this case; a drummer) really is. We all know what being famous or not means.

Am I misunderstanding something? I've been away from england for so long...


Regards,
Christopher.

i agree with roddy for the instructional stuff he did outside of his forte, the metal stuff.

but it would be good to see him in a band situation outside of metal or just a very different metal approach if its within that genre.

he's a really clean,technical player, but a little too orthodox as a metal drummer. he's a drum machine<granted this is the desired effect anyway>

so as far as the "extreme" stuff<i dont know what else to call music that falls under death,black metal and grindcore>.

gabe serbian of the locust

whoever drums for necrophagist<i keep forgetting his name>

the DEP drummer, im bad with names, sorry

these guys are moreso chops and blinding speed, they are underrated in that sense. they are specialist, not demonstratibly well-rounded or at least i havent heard some <unrelated genre-wise>other band they had been in, playing other styles.

i think the well-rounded thing is important in accessing who is underrated.
 
low-tech said:
I agree with roddy for the instructional stuff he did outside of his forte, the metal stuff.

but it would be good to see him in a band situation outside of metal or just a very different metal approach if its within that genre.

he's a really clean,technical player, but a little too orthodox as a metal drummer. he's a drum machine<granted this is the desired effect anyway

Have you heard the jazz and blues recordings he did? If not, I can upload them for you if you are interested.
 
Drum-Head said:
Have you heard the jazz and blues recordings he did? If not, I can upload them for you if you are interested.


i seen a youtube vid of derrick playing jazz the was ridiculed a while ago here......it was pretty bad, his other instructional stuff seemed cool tho, but it was him alone

but if you have an actual jazz or blues recording, like him playing with a jazz or blues band id very like to hear it.
 
low-tech said:
i seen a youtube vid of derrick playing jazz the was ridiculed a while ago here......it was pretty bad, his other instructional stuff seemed cool tho, but it was him alone

but if you have an actual jazz or blues recording, like him playing with a jazz or blues band id very like to hear it.

The clips that I have convinced me - but I'm just an ordinary drummer - however, I'm pretty much sure jazz purists will not like his jazz playing, Give me 'till tomorrow (it's very late over here now and I have class tomorrow) and I'll PM you that stuff.


Christopher.
 
Oliver Charles (Ben Harper) Fight For Your Mind - great groove and finesse

Luke Flowers (Cinematic Orchestra) - this guy has amazing jazz feel and a great texture to his drumming, check them out, they are brilliant.
 
I think that Andy Burrows of Razorlight is underrated. He's great to watch and very creative. A sort of modern version of Stu Copeland, maybe not as good. Also the drummer from the Specials. Great grooves on the more acoustic versions of songs.
 
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My pick would be Prairie Prince: most people don't even know who is, or they think his band
the 'Tubes' is a knock off of Kiss which is way off base or just "White Punks on Dope"
but they also did Proud to be an American which is a great rock and roll tune. But Prairie
is the guy who got me to want to play drums again. You serious drummer out there have to check out his Tubes recordings especially from their first album 'The Tubes' and their second album 'Young and Rich'. He will surprise you; his works are creative and awe inspiring.
From the first album listen to "Boy Crazy" firstly and from" Young and Rich" listen to 'Pimp and then Brighter Day' firstly and in that order and you will know what I'm talking about.

Prairie has recorded with George Harrison, Todd Rundgren and many other greats, and actually started the band "Journey" too,
and something like 30 years ago Yamaha spotted his talent and has endorsed him to this day, Paiste too. Check him out you'll be glad you did

Later
Thombo
 
i belive that in this forum there are a few people who does not like metal drumming but there is a drummer that deserves attention to all of you,, is nick barker from dimmu borgir and i think that he is under rated in this forum ,,he has a special way to play that is not just to play like a rithm machine ,besides that he play extreme metal i think that he has well define concept about drumming ,,just to compare extreme metal drummers who compare dereck rody to nick barker ,,just analize the work of each two and you will see ,, check this http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z7vgzTth7Cs
 
badlydubbedsean said:
I think that Andy Burrows of Razorlight is underrated. He's great to watch and very creative. A sort of modern version of Stu Copeland, maybe not as good. Also the drummer from the Specials. Great grooves on the more acoustic versions of songs.

Good call on Andy Burrows, I really like his style....great feel. I believe he was a jazz drummer when younger.

Other underrated :-

Zak Starkey (The Who, Oasis), just watching him on tv performing with The Who as part of the BBC Proms, very tidy, great chops.

Jason Cooper (The Cure)...very impressive.

Charlie Watts......Surprised he doesn't get more mentions, love his sound and feel....'Can't you hear me knocking?' & 'Paint It Black'.
 
Virgil Donati, Derek Roddy, Marco Minnemann, Tomas Haake, I CAN GO FOREVER LOL
most of those I love hearing and learn from are ALL UNDER-RATED :)
 
Honestly I think Carmine Appice is the most underratted... He pretty much started rock drumming, Has had a sucessful book going on for 30 years(?). and so on.

Never hear to much about him, we should
 
Larray Mullen JR to me is a great drummer one of the first concerts i ever watched was live at RedRock and his drumming really did inspire me its a shame he is under-rated. Also Steve Hewitt from Placebo although i dont particually like there music i have to say he has some moments of brilliance especially with fills.
 
PRINCE-
he did all the things that great drummer should do , while he was side men for him self- that's right he played all drum lines in at least 3 of his albums. He was simple( in pockets), keeped good time, made simple fills, and made it just Funky. And he has decent technique too...
ah and he's playing only keybords, bassguitar, guitar and singing too ;)
 
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