drumguyfromWI
Senior Member
bleh. I wish people would stop worrying about rudiments and just PLAY. music is already classified enough without classifying the notes themselves... often people forget that music is supposed to be fun, not science!
But it's actually based on a rudiment which is triplet. I think the OP wanted to point out there's no possibility of playing drum if any kind of rudiment form isn't involved.
Wow, Im sorry, that is just incredibly dumb. Im not sure if you are kidding, but that is just 3 single strokes.Triplets. Right hand tom, left hand snare, right foot bass. No rudiment there.
Youre right, the triplet is not a rudiment. Neither is the 16th note or the quarter note. Think people.Here are the 40 rudiments from the Percussive Arts Society.
I see no Triplet listed as a rudiment!!!!!
Name this rudiment rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....direct me to a publication which has that as a rudiment..
Again, single stroke roll with three hits.Triplets. Right hand tom, left hand snare, right foot bass. No rudiment there.
It *IS* a trick proposition.It's a bit of trick proposition, isn't it. You could probably identify any grouping of notes as a rudiment (ie; a quick RL could be interpreted as a portion of a single stroke roll, or you could call a slightly non-precise kick-cymbal hit a flam.)
If your guideline is the written notation of rudiments as played on one drum - example: a single stroke roll must be at least RLRL, a triplet is indeed RLR, but RL is fair game as long as not played in quick enough succession to be a flam - then it's perfectly easy to contruct a drum part or a whole song without specific rudiments, and with fills.
Part of the conundrum seems to be that drum parts are necessarily complicated, and therefore must contain rudiments, intentional or otherwise. I suppose those kind of parts do. But overlooked is the fact that the vast majority of drum parts are pretty straight ahead. While they undoubtedly also contain rudiments, probably at least a single stroke roll in the form of a fill, it would be no problem to simply those fills and play a perfectly correct part without a rudiment. You also have to accept that a fill is not necessarily a full measure (although now that I think about it, if you want fills to last a full measure, that's no problem either!)
But if you stretch the concept - a lot - and suggest that, regardless of tempo, any sticking of RL or LR constitutes a flam... or that RL on the snare going into a right hand crash constitutes a triplet (RLR)... or that 2 kicks and a snare constitute a drag... I suppose you could pretend those are rudiments, even though playing those parts could never be interpreted that way by anyone who's expecting to hear rudiments. It wouldn't hold up in a court of law, either.
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Ok. It was quite a challenge, but I conquered it. This took me hours.
Many of you don't seem to understand what I mean when I say "you can't play something that's not a rudiment".
Here is my challenge: I challenge you to write out a drum part that does not contain a rudiment, a modified rudiment, or a combination of rudiments (or rests only, obviously).
I dare you to do it.
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is a single stroke roll with the lefts being played as rests.
I'm sorry but where in that list do you see singles as a rudiment.?
Now that is a stretch of the imagination.
I'm sorry but are you trying to prove a point? The way I see it and you must understand this I'm sure: rudiments are just arbitrary organizations of some things we play. There isn't any big secret as far as I'm concerned. You don't need to worry about if you're playing a rudiment or not. Do you want to impress other dudes because you "play rudimentally" or something? Play the drums. Please stop trying to ask some unanswerable mystery question of life, which this question is not.
I'm sorry but are you trying to prove a point? The way I see it and you must understand this I'm sure: rudiments are just arbitrary organizations of some things we play. There isn't any big secret as far as I'm concerned. You don't need to worry about if you're playing a rudiment or not. Do you want to impress other dudes because you "play rudimentally" or something? Play the drums. Please stop trying to ask some unanswerable mystery question of life, which this question is not.
If you don't think there is any merit to this discussion, then leave it. I've never understood why people will reply with statements like "this discussion is a waste of time", didn't they just waste their time by replying that?
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is a single stroke roll with the lefts being played as rests.
The first one, a single stroke roll.
you can't play something that's not a rudiment
That, besides being silly, is not what you said above. You say "you can't play something that's not a rudiment", now that is not true, this has been established; however "a modified rudiment, or a combination of rudiments," now your just being ridiculous... As seen here.a modified rudiment, or a combination of rudiments
Now the eternal question. Can you play a rest? Or is it simply, a rest.rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is a single stroke roll with the lefts being played as rests.
That's exactly my point. I think you're looking waaaaaay too deep into what I'm trying to say. Rudiments=drumming.I understand, sorry if I sounded condescending but I legitimately didn't quite understand the question.
I do agree that all of our playing could be called rudiments, although I normally just call it drumming. Like you said, a trumpet player doesn't say "I'm going to practice notes".
That's exactly my point. I think you're looking waaaaaay too deep into what I'm trying to say. Rudiments=drumming.
"I'm going to go practice (drumming)" means "I'm going to practice rudiments".
This spawned from another thread: "why are rudiments important?". That's like a trumpet player asking "why are notes important?". .
I think you think I'm trying to make rudiments this huge ordeal when I'm actually trying to do the exact opposite. I'm trying to reduce rudiments to their very base.
RLF RLF, single stroke roll with three hits.
Seeing that singles, doubles, triples, and buzzes are all rudiments. You can't play a drum without using one of those strokes.