Originally Posted by TenPastTen
you have probably never had 4 feet of water in your car.
...unless pee, vomit, and spilled beer count.
I love my el sabor as well. I used to use it as a crash ride, then with my Manhattan ride, primarilly for the bell. I found a used 20" el sabor ride, and 14" el sabor hats, so I know use the el sabor trio with an 18" HHXtreme crash as my LOUD cymbals. I like the trashiness of the extreme crash, as it is not as obnoxious as a china. iIt looks like you use the ozone crash for the same purpose.