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caddywumpus 11-17-2008 10:25 AM

Caddy's Ludwig kit w/Zildjian cymbals
 
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So, here's my gigging kit:

1970 Ludwig Downbeat in Silver Sparkle finish, Blue/Olive badges, clear maple interiors
12x8 tom
14x14 floor tom
20x14 kick drum
14x5 1965 Slingerland snare in gold sparkle finish, 3-ply, clear maple interior

Cymbals:
14" Zilco top hat, 14" early 70s Zildjian New Beat bottom hat
18" 60s Zildjian
19" late 70s/early 80s Zildjian (hollow ink logo)
16" 50s Zildjian
24" K Light Ride

So, let me point out a few of the finer points, as I've talked about this kit in previous posts.

The first couple of pictures, you can see that all of the hardware, minus the high hat stand and throne, fits nicely into this old beat-up suitcase. Then, there's some drum porn.

In the second to last picture, you can see how I mount the 3 cymbals off of the one Yamaha 600 cymbal stand with 2 Gibraltar splash boom arms. Yes, the 24" K Light Ride is mounted on a splash boom arm, and it's never toppled or even tipped. In the last photo, you can see that I didn't spring for the vintage Ludwig logo head, but made one myself. I removed the Remo logo with nail polish remover. Then, I drew the Ludwig logo with pencil and colored it in with a sharpie. From more than 2 feet away, you can't tell, but I included a close-up so you could see my dirty little logo secret.

Drumsword 11-17-2008 02:23 PM

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Awesome yet again, very very nice, the Silver and Gold theme reminds of yukon cornelius on Rudolph the red nose riendeer, lol.

Classy looking and the Rims mount on the tom is a sweet touch.

crdirtRider856 11-17-2008 02:40 PM

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That couch looks comfortable... oh and the sets nice too. I especially like that hardware case., Carry on? I m also a big fan of mounting as many pieces onto one tripod as is feasible. I have....nevermind, another thread, another time.

Thats in great shape for a 70's too. We ve touched on this before, but does the "rims" mount make a *huge* or *minor* difference in the resonance of that tom?

trkdrmr 11-17-2008 02:42 PM

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Man you have some cool stuff!

That kit looks cherry... like it could be a few months old, not 38 years old!

It has such minor/piffling wear for it's age.

caddywumpus 11-17-2008 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by trkdrmr (Post 502536)
That kit looks cherry... like it could be a few months old, not 38 years old!

It has such minor/piffling wear for it's age.

Looks can be deceiving! It's definitely a "player's" kit and snare. I call this my "looks pretty until you get close" kit. Well actually, I haven't ever called it that before right now, but it's fitting.


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Originally Posted by crdirtRider856 (Post 502535)
That couch looks comfortable... oh and the sets nice too. I especially like that hardware case., Carry on? I m also a big fan of mounting as many pieces onto one tripod as is feasible. I have....nevermind, another thread, another time.

Thats in great shape for a 70's too. We ve touched on this before, but does the "rims" mount make a *huge* or *minor* difference in the resonance of that tom?

The couch is VERY comfy. I've never come across a more comfortable couch! Many of my friends say the same about it. My wife doesn't like the look of it, so it stays in the basement...

Yes, the RIMS-imitation mount makes a HUGE difference in this particular case. Having the tom mount on the shell significantly cut down on the resonance, so I took it off. Now, there's a spot on the tom (above the snare, in the picture) where there's a couple of holes and a nice section of finish (from being under the mount all these years). I keep that part facing me.

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Originally Posted by Drumsword (Post 502531)
Awesome yet again, very very nice, the Silver and Gold theme reminds of yukon cornelius on Rudolph the red nose riendeer, lol.

Classy looking and the Rims mount on the tom is a sweet touch.

The silver and gold doesn't really thrill me together, but the people I gig with don't seem to mind. They just see a bunch of sparkles, and it's all good! Once they hear the kit, though, that's when the bricks start dropping...

Thanks for the compliments, guys.

Deathmetalconga 11-17-2008 06:48 PM

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Beautiful set, very streamlined. I like how you use few stands and attach more stuff to them. I do the same - I have seven cymbals, a cowbell, a hihat and four toms mounted on three stands. I don't like the forest-of-stands effect around a set and your sparse hardware shows off the beautiful shells.

Amazing you can fit all the hardware in a suitcase!

caddywumpus 11-18-2008 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Deathmetalconga (Post 502637)

Amazing you can fit all the hardware in a suitcase!

2 cymbal stands
2 splash boom arms
kick pedal
snare stand
stick holder
floor tom legs
tom mounting clamp

There's even some room left for when I take out my 18" kick, I can throw in the riser attachment. Also, I occasionally thrown in a cowbell mount. It's great not to have to hassle with a huge trap case anymore!

Chazz 11-18-2008 01:04 AM

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Very nice Ludwig set, I alway's liked the Silver Sparkle & black too!
and WOW, Amazing....I can't believe that your hardware fits into the suitcase ;^)

pearlygates 11-18-2008 01:08 AM

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Nice one caddy! Makes me wanna start looking at getting something "vintage" again.
Same way with me as well. I use just a few stands and attach clamps and arms to accomodate. Nice!

Mendozart 11-18-2008 07:22 AM

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Caddy,
That's a sweet player's kit! I officially want to have first dibs on that kit, should you happen to want to ever get rid of it. Those 70's 3-plys are the sh!t.

aydee 11-18-2008 07:28 AM

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How do you like the round felt beater on the Elim? What the difference ?

P.S- The Luddy heads seem more sure of themselves than the Dubs. How many kits do you have?

Class A Drummer 11-18-2008 07:49 AM

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Really solid setup. Cant go wrong with something like that. Looks really nice.

Clayton_C 11-18-2008 07:51 AM

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Beautiful kit, great setup, and sweet pies... but the best part of the whole thing is the way your hardware fits into that suitcase!!! 0.0 WHAT'S THE SECRET? I just spend a good 15 minutes packing up my hardware (all the usual suspects + a splash extension and an another whole stand) and cramming it on a cart with my set for a gig today!

caddywumpus 11-18-2008 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Clayton_C (Post 502921)
Beautiful kit, great setup, and sweet pies... but the best part of the whole thing is the way your hardware fits into that suitcase!!! 0.0 WHAT'S THE SECRET? I just spend a good 15 minutes packing up my hardware (all the usual suspects + a splash extension and an another whole stand) and cramming it on a cart with my set for a gig today!

The secret is the Yamaha 600 Cymbal stands and playing Tetris a bunch while growing up.

One of my personal prerequisites for packing my gear up is to not take stands apart, but rather to collapse them all. The Yamaha stands were the smallest-collapsing, yet sturdiest stands I could find, so I went with those. I'm not a Yamaha drum fan in the least, but I do like these stands.

I start by putting in the cymbal stands diagonally, kick pedal on one side, snare stand on the other, and then the rest of the clamps and whatnot just fit around those main items. It's magic, really. And, it only takes me about 15 minutes total to set up the whole kit and stash the cases. During the set, I might fidget with a stand or clamp just a little, but the set up is pretty comfortable for me.

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Originally Posted by Class A Drummer (Post 502920)
Really solid setup. Cant go wrong with something like that. Looks really nice.

Thank you. I think so too. :)

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Originally Posted by aydee (Post 502918)
How do you like the round felt beater on the Elim? What the difference ?

Oh, is that an Elim? I don't think I ever paid attention...

I like this particular beater on the drum--warm and full. It really brings out the woodiness and resonance of the drum shell. I couldn't care less about what pedal it's attached to.

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Originally Posted by aydee (Post 502918)
P.S- The Luddy heads seem more sure of themselves than the Dubs. How many kits do you have?

I currently have 3. DW for the studio and prestigious gigs. Ludwig for every other gig and for specialty studio gigs. Premier kit to teach on.

I don't really have my eyes on any new kit in particular, but if I find a good deal on a nicer kit (read: killer deal of the century), then I'll be looking to sell the Premiers...

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Originally Posted by Mendozart (Post 502916)
Caddy,
That's a sweet player's kit! I officially want to have first dibs on that kit, should you happen to want to ever get rid of it. Those 70's 3-plys are the sh!t.

Thank goodness! I thought you were going to say, "should something happen to you...".

The late 60s/early 70s 3-ply with clear maple interiors ARE the shiz-nit, dawg! I think that this kit is going to stay with me for a while. That's a very flattering compliment, though. My Luddies and I thank you!

Drummer Karl 11-18-2008 03:49 PM

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Hehe, silver and gold sparkle...that are two great looking wraps!!
Well, it`s a vintage Ludwig and a vintage Slingerland...isn`t that amazing?!

Really nice eye- and ear-catcher Caddy...

By the way, what music do you mainly make? I can`t imagine really...

Thanks for sharing your photos, true candy!

Karl

caddywumpus 11-18-2008 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Drummer Karl (Post 503026)
Hehe, silver and gold sparkle...that are two great looking wraps!!
Well, it`s a vintage Ludwig and a vintage Slingerland...isn`t that amazing?!

Really nice eye- and ear-catcher Caddy...

By the way, what music do you mainly make? I can`t imagine really...

Thanks for sharing your photos, true candy!

Karl

Hmm...I guess it's more "drum candy" than "drum porn", huh? You made me think of Hershey's Kisses with the silver and gold wraps.

What music do I MAINLY make? That's a tough one. I play rock, blues, jazz, funk, and latin on the kit, but they kind of bleed together. You know, one heavily influences the others, and vice versa. Mostly, lately, I've been playing world music gigs. There's a booming scene here in Portland. It's a lot of fun, and stretches me in ways I'm unfamiliar with. Also, I've had a couple of classical gigs lately, but that's besides drum set. I also write my own stuff, which is in the range of "acoustic singer-songwriter" to rock.

supraphonic 11-27-2008 10:34 PM

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looks incredible!!
it has a great vintage feel,this kit is definately a keeper.

caddywumpus 11-28-2008 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by supraphonic (Post 507039)
looks incredible!!
it has a great vintage feel,this kit is definately a keeper.

Thanks, man. The reason it has a great vintage feel is because, well, it IS vintage! Yeah, this kit is DEFINITELY a keeper. By the way, I can't believe that your name hasn't been taken already...

Welcome to the forum!

supraphonic 11-29-2008 07:09 PM

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thanks, thats what i thought about the name too.

larryace 11-29-2008 07:49 PM

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Supraphonic....hiding in plain sight, great name! I wonder if there is a Radio King member yet...
Hey Caddy, my first real set of drums were 1976 Blue Oyster Pearl Ludwigs, purchased new in 76. The bearing edges were for lack of a better term...all caddywumpus and shit. It had major high and low spots, dead zones on the head, and you're right, as soon as the tom was put on the mount, 90% of the resonance went away. My question is are your bearing edges original? Or did you re-do them? Do your drums have re rings? Mine did, thick ones too. My bearing edges majorly sucked right from the factory, and I was soured on Ludwig for a long time afterwards. Looking back I wish I had that old kit back. Soooo what about your edges?

caddywumpus 11-30-2008 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by larryace (Post 507886)
Supraphonic....hiding in plain sight, great name! I wonder if there is a Radio King member yet.......
........It had major high and low spots, dead zones on the head, and you're right, as soon as the tom was put on the mount, 90% of the resonance went away. My question is are your bearing edges original? Or did you re-do them? Do your drums have re rings?.....
....Soooo what about your edges?

Hmm...I might have to register again with the name Radio King so I can sell it later for big bucks!

My edges are still factory, I'm pretty sure. They're definitely not flat, but they're not THAT far off to make too big of a difference. All I can say is that they sound great, construction imperfections included. Yes, they have the big ol' reinforcing rings and thin shells that give it the sound I so crave...

DSCRAPRE 01-19-2010 01:02 AM

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Dude, three cymbals on one stand?! Gangsta!

caddywumpus 01-19-2010 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DSCRAPRE (Post 654297)
Dude, three cymbals on one stand?! Gangsta!

Ratta-tat-tat, yo!

The less I have to haul to a gig, the better...

wy yung 01-19-2010 03:28 AM

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So many lovely things to play on in that basement of yours! Great kit. Did you paint that logo yourself?

I love the Slingerland snare.

crdirtRider856 01-19-2010 04:54 AM

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[quote=caddywumpus;502626]
Yes, the RIMS-imitation mount makes a HUGE difference in this particular case. Having the tom mount on the shell significantly cut down on the resonance, so I took it off. Now, there's a spot on the tom (above the snare, in the picture) where there's a couple of holes and a nice section of finish (from being under the mount all these years). I keep that part facing me.[/QUOTE

I forgot about this kit of yours, and reading this again reminded me. I happened to come across 2 original RIMS mounts, 14" and 16'... USED and in perfect condition. Like you advised a long time ago, I used them for my stand mounted floor toms. The difference is amazing. Along with Evans Genera G2 coated heads, I cant believe the difference. These heads compliment vintage shells perfectly(imo).

Anyway I have a few holes left from the original mounts and found that crumpling up a piece of clear plastic baggy(like for a sandwich), plugging the holes and covering them with a small piece of clear tape gives the look of the surrounding finish. Just a tip or suggestion for anyone interested.

bobdadruma 01-19-2010 05:03 AM

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Nice set up Caddy! I love those old Lud's!
I also hate stands. I fly three cymbals from one stand on one of my kits too.
The hardware options of today make anything possible.

sacco 01-19-2010 02:17 PM

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Nice set, you are a lucky one!

These Ludwig were my dream when I started playing drums (around 1974!), but were very expensive and almost impossible to find where I lived. That's why I finally bought a Slingerland set which suddenly appeared in a music instrument shop 80 km away from our home. Sadly, that set was not that good and Ludwig remained my unsatisfied dream.

alparrott 01-19-2010 06:43 PM

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Looks like a blast to play and very easy to gig with. I'd say you have a winner.

caddywumpus 01-19-2010 07:00 PM

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Wow! Thanks for the replies. This thread is making a comeback!

To update, I have since swapped out several of the cymbals for similar ones. I now use a 50s 18" instead of the 60s one. It has a slight warp on one side, almost like a flange, which I think adds to its great sound. I use these Zilco/Zildjian hats occasionally for really quiet gigs, but I've since been using a pair of 15" 50s hats that sound A-MA-ZING! Also, I've swapped out the 16" crash a few times, and I'm still looking for a more perfect specimen...

I've also started using different snares with the kit, like a pre-serial Ludwig Auditorium in green sparkle and a 70s 402 Supraphonic. I mostly use the Supraphonic with my Super Classics, but occasionally I mix and match. Keep it fresh, right?

Wy: The logo is done in sharpie!

crdirtRider856: Yeah, absolutely! Man, RIMS make all the difference in the world!

bobda: Yeah, you can do virtually ANYTHING it seems! I still don't get why guys will haul around these huge, bulky double-braced and "as thick as an elephant's leg" cymbal stands.

sacco: Someday your dream kit will come...

alparrott: Yeah, it's DEFINITELY a winner! It's a little finicky, like most vintage Luddies, but it seems the more I experiment with tuning it, the sweeter and sweeter it sounds...

bobdadruma 01-20-2010 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by caddywumpus (Post 654640)
bobda: Yeah, you can do virtually ANYTHING it seems! I still don't get why guys will haul around these huge, bulky double-braced and "as thick as an elephant's leg" cymbal stands.

I bought lightweight cymbal stands for both of my gig kits. They cost about $30 each. They are sturdy and strong. I also bought used lightweight hat and snare stands from beginner kits like the Tama StageStar. I paid almost nothing for them. Drummers upgrade and they sell them cheap. They work fine! My hardware bag weighs half as much as it used to! The pearl clamp type cymbal arms are light and strong also. I have several of them.
Gone are the days of lugging around heavy stands for me!
I discovered this when I bought my Pearl Rhythm Traveler kit and My Tama StageStar kit for practice and small gigs. You don't need big drums and stands for most gigs, so why bring them. The other good thing is that if anything happens to this equipment, It can be easily and cheaply replaced. I no longer worry about my gear at gigs. I only have to guard my cymbals and my snares. I sometimes bring cheap snare drums also. I put a coated PS3 on a cheap 13 x 5 snare and it sounds fine in a small club. I only get between 50 and 100 dollars for these gigs anyway, So why bring out the best! As long as the drums look good, No one knows the difference anyhow.

DSCRAPRE 01-20-2010 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by caddywumpus (Post 654640)
Wow! Thanks for the replies. This thread is making a comeback!

You can thank me for that :).
Nice stuff.

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Originally Posted by caddywumpus (Post 654640)
Yeah, you can do virtually ANYTHING it seems! I still don't get why guys will haul around these huge, bulky double-braced and "as thick as an elephant's leg" cymbal stands.

That would be me. I don't have a lot of gigging experience (Read: no gigging experience) so my big stands aren't an issue...yet.

caddywumpus 01-20-2010 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DSCRAPRE (Post 654797)
I don't have a lot of gigging experience (Read: no gigging experience) so my big stands aren't an issue...yet.

They have their place for me...at home. I use them, but I don't lug them around. If you gig less than a couple times a month, I could see it not being that big of a deal, but if you play out more than that, the lighter stands and smaller kits really start making sense after a short while. For me, it's not the weight, necessarily. I consider myself a pretty strong guy, and I could handle it, but it's more of a space issue. I'd never be able to fit 2 giant double-braced stands with 1" diameter pipes into my tiny suitcase, and I'm NOT willing to get a large hardware case on wheels because it would just be a huge pain in the butt compared to what I'm doing now...

Bongo John 02-11-2010 08:42 PM

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That is one amazingly beautiful drum kit ! I'm certain it must sound absolutely amazing - the tones must be over-the-top great !

Thanks for sharing your photos !

Best,

Bongo

caddywumpus 02-11-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bongo John (Post 663779)
That is one amazingly beautiful drum kit ! I'm certain it must sound absolutely amazing - the tones must be over-the-top great !

Oh, it does alright! Man...it has THE vintage sound! I've since delved into the world of vintage drums, and there's something magical about this kit that I haven't heard in any other vintage kits. Well, besides a Gretsch 3-ply round badge that I've played that is...

blackbyrd 02-22-2010 07:46 PM

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absolutley stunning.

cantstandyourfunk 10-07-2010 10:21 PM

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Beautiful! Don't let ?uestlove? steal it :)

caddywumpus 10-07-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cantstandyourfunk (Post 752416)
Beautiful! Don't let ?uestlove? steal it :)

Uh oh...did he say something about it? Looks like I'll have to double the amount of security lasers and hire three more security guards...

extracalm 11-01-2010 12:37 AM

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post info about your ludwig natural kit please!

Tommy Rizzitelli 11-10-2010 07:02 PM

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Nice !!!

The old Ludwig sound is so great. You might have a lot of fun with it !

Your couch seems conforable ;)

Tommy.

Sonorforce3007user 02-26-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by caddywumpus (Post 654640)
Yeah, you can do virtually ANYTHING it seems! I still don't get why guys will haul around these huge, bulky double-braced and "as thick as an elephant's leg" cymbal stands.

Um... that would be me
I'm not the biggest fan of sparkle finishes (i like fades and the natural colour of the shell) but that sparkle really stands out and looks amazing and all sparklyish :-)


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